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 01-14-2004, 07:03 Post: 73933
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AV8R: Mine is a comment about the site rather than the pics. Looks like the site design is in hand. I did notice that you're coding in plain old HTML.

If you're going to do a fair bit of site design and maintenance you might want to take a look at HTML style sheets. It's a way of getting almost all of the HTML tags out of the content files and into their own files that can then be assigned to any content file you want to have the same style. As the content gets longer and more complex it ends up taking time to fish through code trying to find the or pictures you want to change. It also means that one change to a style sheet can make many formatting changes to the same or to many content files.

There also are features that helps get text where you want it easily (indenting and white space for example) and for ensuring that most systems and browsers in use will display a site OK.

Few pros today code in HTML. I'm no pro but I do have three sites and the time I spent editing was getting too much. I stick with HTML but it was really worth it to study enough to convert two of the three sites to CSS as it's called.






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 01-14-2004, 09:55 Post: 73947
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Hi Dennis. Seems like I touched on another part of your life. Strange the sorts of things that can be found on a tractor page.

I think we both have the same message. Once a site gets a bit complex and maintaining it starts taking a lot of time fishing around in files of content with embedded HTML tags then CSS sure does simplify life and also produce better results. I sure was happy to throw away all the old HTML tricks I learned to get decent formatting, and now I don't have to worry that I changed all instances in all files of what started out seeming like a simple fix. CSS does have quite a learning curve but it's well worth it if a site starts getting complex.

I think I got the impression that pros weren't using much HTML from a comment on my HTML editor's site when I upgraded it. Well, the new editor does generate decent CSS and various HTML standards despite the comment. I've also noted a bunch of file types (PL PHP CGI/Perl etc.) that led me to believe that people were generating entire sites from various scripts. I use some canned CGI and PHP myself but I wouldn't want to learn how to program it myself for what I do. CSS works just fine for me, and the site that verifies CSS and accompanying HTML code also is just great.






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 01-15-2004, 07:47 Post: 74034
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Morning AV8R: I got so caught up in my own subject I forgot about yours. You did what I advocated doing several times before Dennis provided a pic capacity on the board. Yours is a good effort. If everybody did that we wouldn't have to live with the size restrictions for posting on the board and doing so would reduce the traffic and costs of operation.

I think it can be a decent hobby to have a personal site as well as useful. As you likely discovered it doesn't take a huge investment in time to gain enough skills either. It also doesn't cost much since most ISP accounts provide enough server and traffic allowance to support a personal site as part of the service. The CSS stuff might be useful if editing stops being fun or interesting.

As an alternative to classes, I put up my first site about 10 years ago on a corporate LAN (didn't make the systems department too happy either). I never took any classes but I had several books. Mostly what I did was look at the source of other sites; look up statements I didn't understand and generally do what other sites did. If you haven't discovered it, the IE6 view menu has a choice titled 'source.'






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